Would you want a Sharia Muslim as a neighbor?

Posted by: Barthélemy Barbancourt

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Muslim “child-marriage”—euphemism for pedophilia—is making headlines again, at least in Arabic media: Dr. Salih bin Fawzan, a prominent cleric and member of Saudi Arabia’s highest religious council, just issued a fatwa asserting that there is no minimum age for marriage, and that girls can be married “even if they are in the cradle.”

Appearing in Saudi papers on July 13, the fatwa complains that “Uninformed interference with Sharia rulings by the press and journalists is on the increase, posing dire consequences to society, including their interference with the question of marriage to small girls who have not reached maturity, and their demand that a minimum age be set for girls to marry.”

Fawzan insists that nowhere does Sharia set an age limit for marrying girls: like countless Muslim scholars before him, he relies on Koran 65:4, which discusses marriage to females who have not yet begun menstruating (i.e., are prepubescent)  and the fact that Muhammad, Islam’s role model, married Aisha when she was 6-years-old, “consummating” the marriage—or, in modern parlance, raping her—when she was 9.

The point of the Saudi fatwa, however, is not that girls as young as 9 can have sex, based on Muhammad’s example, but rather that there is no age limit whatsoever; the only question open to consideration is whether the girl is physically capable of handling her husband/rapist.  Fawzan documents this point by quoting Ibn Batal’s authoritative exegesis of Sahih Bukhari:

The ulema [Islam’s interpreters] have agreed that it is permissible for fathers to marry off their small daughters, even if they are in the cradle.  But it is not permissible for their husbands to have sex with them unless they are capable of being placed beneath and bearing the weight of the men.  And their capability in this regard varies based on their nature and capacity.  Aisha was 6 when she married the prophet, but he had sex with her when she was 9 [i.e., when she was deemed capable].

Fawzan concludes his fatwa with a warning: “It behooves those who call for setting a minimum age for marriage to fear Allah and not contradict his Sharia, or try to legislate things Allah did not permit.  For laws are Allah’s province; and legislation is his excusive right, to be shared by none other.  And among these are the rules governing marriage.”

Fawzan, of course, is not the first to insist on the legitimacy of pedophilia in Islam.  Even the former grand mufti of Saudi Arabia supported “child-marriage,” since “the Koran and Sunna document it.”

So liberals want us to consider adopting Sharia law in the USA and Sharia is just fine with Pedophilia. I'd say this shows that there is a grain of truth in some of the worst things said about American Liberalism. This also proves that Muslims that follow Sharia law are barbarians that currently have no place in civilized communities.

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Woody
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written by Woody , July 27, 2011

Let me see if I understand this game of connect the dots you have presented. Liberals........Sharia law......rape.......pedophiles..... barbarians.....no place in civilized communities. Hmmm, don't go near any youth camps with firearms Bart. This line of thought is a bit too familiar.


Nobody
Woodhead
written by Nobody , July 27, 2011

You may wish to be tolerant and shit, but if your women,children and goats share the same human rights, my culture is better than yours. If your prophet was a pedophile, my religion is also.

Things are not equal.



Barthélemy Barbancourt
So where am I wrong?
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , July 27, 2011

Liberals preach tolerance towards Islam and Muslims. Islam sanctions sex with 9 year olds.

Many times people have pointed out that the PC Multiculturalism of the left has made them blind to the many, many problems with some groups, most notably Muslims. Islam isn't just a religion, it's also a social philosophy with a set of laws. It is possible to reject sharia law as strongly as we rejected Nazism which had Christian ties.

So, would you have concerns if your devout Muslim neighbor had eyes on your 9 year old daughter? Would you be able to admit that his religion is part of the problem? Or would you try to pretend that no issue exists.

And finally, yes, Western Culture is far superior to Islamic cultures as shown by almost any measure. Just ask a few simple questions: If you were gay would you rather live in the USA or Saudi Arabia? If you are a woman would you pick Minneapolis or Kabul? if you have a young daughter, would you want her to marry a Muslim or a Lutheran?



Ed Salden
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written by Ed Salden , July 27, 2011

From Wiki: Child Marriage

"Sunni sources state that Muhammad consummated his marriage with Aisha when she was nine years old (Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64) and had reached puberty. In accordance with this example set by Muhammad, Islamic scholars state that marriage can take place once a child reaches puberty. Prepubescent children may be married or promised for marriage, following a detailed procedure, but "a girl is not handed over to her husband until she is fit for marital congress", as demonstrated by Muhammad's action with Aisha."

I want to support as much tolerance as I can, but I am not willing to tolerate this. In America, having sex with a nine year old girl is criminal behavior, as it should be.



Barthélemy Barbancourt
Thanks Ed
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , July 27, 2011

That is what I want everyone to do, engage your brain and draw some lines that cannot be crossed regardless of religion or culture.

I don't expect everyone to agree, but if we can't set some baseline for acceptable behavior, our society and culture will be lost. America was the greatest nation in the world for 100 years, I'd hope that we could regain our moral compass and lead for at least another 100 years.



jk noreen
If you don't stand for something...
written by jokin , July 27, 2011

"Or would you try to pretend that no issue exists?"

...you'll fall for anything

That would be Woody! (always trying a bit too hard, an Anders Breivik linkage, really? He has 10,000x more in common with the Unabomber than Bart)




jk noreen
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written by jokin , July 28, 2011

So where am I wrong?
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , July 27, 2011



"It is possible to reject sharia law as strongly as we rejected Nazism which had Christian ties."

I see where you were going here with the Left's ignorance to the existential threat that is radical Islam. In reality, Nazism was very close to radical Islam in attempting to impose a religious-social-political order. Of course in 1939 after the Molotov-von Ribbentrop pact, the truth about the American and Euro Left, up until the enactment of Operation Barbarossa, was that they demonstrated obeisance to Adolf Hitler (as requested by the Communist Party) and heartily joined the Charles Lindbergh-led America Firsters in a case of blatant political expediency. So it seems leftists never really change, they stand for relative "truth" in any era.

In the matter of Nazism and Christian ties, Hitler's rejected his early Catholic Church upbringing in Mein Kampf and any references to "God" in the Nazi context were mythic or pagan-related, rather than Christian-oriented. There have been scores of books written about the prime Nazis, especially Himmler, being Occultists. Hitler and many high-ranking Nazis were Theosophists. The chief Nazi philosopher, Alfred Rosenberg, completely rejected Christianity in his theoretical writings. Any lip service paid to organized religion was only used to gather and maintain power and eventually co-opt (there's no doubt that the Catholic and Lutheran churches were complicit, but 1000s of priests and ministers were imprisoned and executed for resisting Hitler) and finally actively destroy the organized churches (Five days after becoming Chancellor in 1933, Hitler allowed a sterilization law to pass, and had the Catholic Youth League disbanded (Shirer, The Rise). The latter was a measure applied to other youth organizations too, in order to free up young people to join Hitler Youth).

If you still have any doubts on where the Nazis stood on Christianity, here are lyrics from the Hitler Youth Horst Wessel Marching Song:

We follow not Christ, but Horst Wessel,
Away with incense and Holy Water,
The Church can go hang for all we care,
The Swastika brings salvation on Earth.



Nobody
Wow
written by Nobody , July 28, 2011

jokin, a very educational post. nothing like I've seen from you before. Well done! (But we get what Bart was talking about)



Sequel
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written by Sequel , July 28, 2011

Death for homosexuality... Check

Rules for fucking children laid out by the pedophile prophet... Check

The proper size stick for beating a disobedient wife determined in Sharia law... Check

Associate Bart with a mass murderer for noticing... Check



Barthélemy Barbancourt
Yeah, no shit
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , July 28, 2011

Thanks for the info. I don't spend a lot of time examining the Nazi's so the Christian link is something that people throw around at times.

I do think that the Lindberg analogy is an excellent one. Too many in the USA, particularly on the left and the religious left, are too accommodating of Islam. These people will not admit the errors of their ways until it's probably too late.

The ultimate irony is that the very same people that are so forward thinking on civil rights, especially women and gay rights, are so blind to how hostile Islam is to those rights. As usual it is left to the right to point out that religious tolerance stops when it conflicts with our hard won civil and individual rights. If Islam hated blacks as mush as they hate women and homosexuals, the left would drop them in a second.




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