Worshipping false idols - Kirby Puckett's bronze statue and Tiger Woods "triumphant" return

Posted by: Jim W

I was reminded this AM of something I first learned back in 1998 - Kirby Puckett was a lying, cheating bastard.  On the local morning news today, the channel 5 gang reported with glee of the bronze statue that will be unveiled at the new stadium honoring Kirby Puckett.  There is no doubting his abilities on the field - he was a great player.  But as a man, Kirby Puckett was a piece of shit.  The worst possible kind of piece of shit.  His cheating history is documented, but not WELL documented.  There were a number of liaisons left out of the news reports.  I happen to know two women that weren't reported on when the news hit back in the early 2000's.  We'll get to that in a moment.

Tiger Woods returned to golf this weekend by playing in his first tournament since last year.  He was cheered by thousands.  Some of the reports I've heard and read mention his indiscretions, but suggest that those are mere bumps in the road for him; that he overcame some major "thing" to finish as the 3rd loser at the Masters.  I turned on the TV yesterday as I was making dinner for the BMW and caught his interview...the guy is a massive prick and hasn't learned a damn thing in this.  I won't take away from his abilities either - he is a great golfer.  But as a man, he too shares the title with Kirby as the worst possible kind of piece of shit. 

 

What is the fascination with cheering for these pieces of shit?  I applauded the folks that didn't bother clapping for Tiger.  And I applaud those that haven't forgotten about Kirby's many, many indiscretions and won't hold him up on high just because he passed away a few years ago.  Death doesn't make him suddenly heroic.  Some that are religious might say he'll be judged for his sins - that may or may not be the case, but those he hurt by his actions have to live on with that memory.  

Speaking of memory, when I saw the report today, it triggered a memory of a phone call I received back in 1998.  I was on a business trip when my wife (then fiancee) called me and asked me if I recognized the voice in the background.  There wasn't even a question - it was Kirby Puckett.  He was nearby, along with a very close family member (we'll call her Andi, not her real name) who had been carrying on an affair with Kirby for many, many years.   I knew about the affair prior to the call, but it was never so real before this. 

This is only the beginning of the depravity.  I learned a great many things that I never wanted to know about Kirby.  I learned that Kirby was NOT particularly well endowed.  I learned that former Twin Matt Lawton apparently joined in on a "session" with Kirby and Andi, and I guess he was well endowed, but lacked Kirby's "ability" in the bedroom so during one session Kirby had to teach Matt how to use "it" (use your imagination).   I learned that a childhood "hero" of mine, Paul Molitor, had also been a big cheater.  Kirby and Paul double-cheated on their wives with "Andi" and one of her friends...frequently.  I learned that Kirby and is ex-wife's father also "double cheated" on their respective wives with Andi and another of her friends, frequently.  Yes, Tonya Puckett's father knew that Kirby was cheating - because he joined in on the fun with Kirby. 

But I never fully knew just how much of a shitbag this man Kirby was until I had the displeasure to visit his "shrine".  It was here I learned just what an egomaniac he was.  Kirby and Andi kept an apartment in a first ring suburb of Minneapolis (just to the north).  It was a two room love nest.  It wasn't fancy, but it was all decked out with Twins and Kirby memorabilia.  And a large bed with silk sheets.  Yes, he had a love shack decked out with reminders of how awesome he was on the field.  I suspect that it was an aphrodesiac for him.  You all may remember when Kirby was in a car accident back in 1998.  He rolled the SUV he was driving.  It was reported he was returning with his father-in-law from a fishing trip.  That wasn't true.  He was at the love shack in that first ring suburb, cheating. 

When Andi and Kirby couldn't be at the love shack, Andi would make early morning visits to Kirby's office at the Metrodome where she would "take care of him".  Kirby is also well known for his 8-ball invitational tournament that he use to hold as a fund raiser.  Among those invited were many of the local women with whom he carried on.  And his family was there too.  What a heroic man.

Karma caught up with both Andi and Kirby in the end.  The news hit about Kirby's cheating with an entirely different woman in the Twin Cities, and then another, and then another, Andi decided to walk away from the deal - only because one of the women with whom Kirby cheated happened to be her best friend and business associate (we'll call her Janet, not her real name).  Janet was the friend that also cheated with Kirby's father-in-law.  And we all know of how Karma took care of Kirby.  When he was outed, reports surfaced that he had women all over the country.  And the women, much like Andi and Janet, weren't anything special to look at.  They were women that had serious self esteem issues.  Just the type he liked.  And yes, karma also caught up with Tiger, but I suspect it's not quite done with him yet...

I enjoy watching the Twins and will continue to do so.  But I won't visit the shrine erected for Kirby when I go to the new stadium that I paid for (which is bullshit, BTW) and I have a real problem with how this man gets held up on high.  The same goes for Tiger.  The problems these two and many other men have aren't that they are addicted to sex.  They don't need treatment.  They have massive egos that cannot be controlled and the only prescription is public mockery.  Cheer for them if you want, I damn sure won't.  Any "man" that cheats as much as these two pieces of shit did on his wife and family doesn't deserve a statue, a round of applause, or an honor of any kind.  Shame, on the other hand, seems appropriate.

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Ed Salden
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written by Charles Barkley, not Ed , April 12, 2010

I'm not a role model... Just because I dunk a basketball doesn't mean I should raise your kids.


Ed Salden
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written by Bob Dylan, not Ed , April 12, 2010

Just because you know my songs doesn't mean you know me.


Ed Salden
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written by Babe Ruth, not Ed , April 12, 2010

I was a womanizer and I drank myself to death before I was 55. I even played drunk.


Ed Salden
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written by Kirby Puckett, not Ed , April 12, 2010


Besides being a complete pig in my personnal life, I was also a cheater at baseball.

I juiced throughout my career, and it contributed both to my blindness and my early death.



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Not Ed
written by Kermit , April 12, 2010

Puckett's "blindess" (not complete) was due to getting beaned on the temple by a 90 MPH fastball.


Ed Salden
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written by Ed Salden , April 12, 2010

I'm going to have to do some research on that, Kermit. He had glaucoma and cateracts. Can you get those from a beanball?


Ed Salden
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written by Ed Salden , April 12, 2010

"He had a routinely outstanding season in 1995, batting .314. But on March 28, 1996, when he awakened at the Twins' spring camp in Fort Myers, Fla., a black dot appeared in the central part of his right retina and he could not see when looking straight ahead. He was found to have a central retina vein occlusion in that eye and glaucoma in both eyes.

"He never played again..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/sports/baseball/07puckett.html

As a right handed hitter, Puckett would have taken the beaner on the left side, yet his right eye had the bigger problem. That's counter-intuitive.

Also, his vision had recovered until it went bad in late March.

Another thing, the pitch broke Puckett's jaw, so it didn't even hit him in the eye, right?

But having said all that, it has not been established conclusively that Puckett used steroids, alrthough I think he sure did.



Jim W
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written by Jim W , April 12, 2010

It's funny you mention Barkely, Ed. while in vegas back in the 90's I witnessed him playing cards in a high stakes room surrounded by 4 ladies of the evening. he left with all of them. Again, not an addiction, not something for which he needs therapy. He's an egomaniac just like Puckett and just like Woods and just like Molitor and hundreds of others just like em.

Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD.



Ed Salden
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written by Ed Salden , April 12, 2010

Should Kirby Puckett have a place on the Twins Mt. Olympus?

I think so.

For all his character flaws he was Minnesota's best player of all time. They wouldn't have won either world series without him. The Twins hired Kirby Puckett to play ball, and he played ball.

Once they asked Babe Ruth why he made more money than president Hoover.

Ruth replied, "I had a better year than him."






Jim W
I was hoping someone would go there...
written by Jim W , April 12, 2010

I don't blame the Twins for honoring him that way, Ed. To them and many fans, his on field play earned him recognition. But his off field life didn't follow in suit. So, in my mind it begs the question - how much of what he did on field was also "cheating" (roids, as you brought up)? the old saying goes, once a cheater, always a cheater. In my opinion, the man isn't worth honoring, and I WILL NOT spend a second worshipping at the shrine like many a Twins fan will. But there is a bigger issue at play here-

We honor scum. We as a country hold up high people like this. People that cheat. Look at many Twins fans right now - most are willing to forgive him of his many indiscretions outside of his marraige. Why? Because of the player he was. They are willing to give a pass to the man. Tiger has been received the same way. Look at how many others fans are willing to just let fly by with a laundry list of indiscretions. Regular joe's would be shit on by these same people, yet Kirby is a fucking saint. Bullshit. I've seen, first hand, his ego on full display. It made me sick attending the 8-ball tourney years ago and seeing the women with whom he cheated. How does someone have such balls as to invite yoru mistress to your fund raiser with your wife and kids right there? What a massive piece of shit. Fuck him, I hope he rots in hell. And I hope his statue rusts and has to be removed. That "shrine" is disgusting. And since I paid for the ball park, I'm entitled to voice my opinion on it.



Ed Salden
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written by Ed Salden , April 12, 2010

Barkley is known to love casino gambling. Jerry Van Dyke once said, and Barkley would concur, "We may have ruined their culture and taken their land, but as far as me and the Red Crow Souix tribe are concered, we're all even."


Ed Salden
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written by Ed Salden , April 12, 2010

People with talent get breaks all the time, actors, artists. athletes. We like what they do, we like to watch them. We want to feel like we really do know them. That good feeling gets packaged and sold back to us and so it goes.

The disillusionment you recall is common among regular folk who meet up with stars.

My son met Kevin Garnett one time. Apparently quite the prick.



kow
Who Are You
written by kow , April 12, 2010

Who are we to say how a ballplayer should live? How many people do you know haven't lived up to public scrutiny? Should they be fired from their job or lose a promotion?
Pucket cheated at his job and should not be revered. As far as his personal life, without the ball career, chances are he would have been a broke pos.
You want to put up a statue of a hero, fine. Just make sure that hero is worthy, Pucket wasn't. Harmen, Herbie or Rod...yes. They did what they were paid for without cheating.
As far as Tiger, he's maybe one of the greatest golfers. The only reason he did the treatment thing was because of marketing and we are at fault for that. I couldn't give a damn how many women he screws. He's a pos for cheating on his wife and I would never walk across the street to shake his hand, but that's my option. Yet, I wouldn't take anything away from golf fans if they put up a statue of him some day.



Barthélemy Barbancourt
Why I hate sports
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , April 12, 2010

Jim just covered why I can't even pretend to give a shit about professional sports. The hero worship is sickening. If you took away the idolatry these guys wouldn't be making hundreds of millions.

The same people that hate CEO's, the people that can create jobs, love sports stars. I'll never get the attraction to adults that play children's games. Nothing that they do has nay meaning long term.



JW of Minnesota
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written by JW of Minnesota , April 12, 2010

Seems like lying was the last virtue our society gave up on, and only recently.

Spuds brings up a good point in terms of where does that line end between work and personal life. I tend to believe the one will corrupt the other, and vice-versa.

Taxpayer Field! The under-handed way the county commision levied the tax is what angers me most, aside from the idea.



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written by Kermit , April 12, 2010

If you took away the idolatry these guys wouldn't be making hundreds of millions.
If you took away the free market, merchandising, concessions, advertising, ticket revenues, etc. these guys wouldn't be making millions of dollars.
Otherwise they are selling a product people want to buy.



Ed Salden
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written by Ed Salden , April 12, 2010

Bread and circuses.


JW of Minnesota
I disagree....
written by JW of Minnesota , April 12, 2010

The idolatry plays a big part of selling it. You don't see anyone buying $70 Jerseys with "Salden" and "69" stitched on the back.

And I believe the idol-like status that sports teams receive allows them to be given subsidies, beyond other businesses in the entertainment industry.




Jim W
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written by Jim W , April 12, 2010

Kow, it's a pretty sad commentary on our times that people can do the things they do and can live with themselves. Ego plays a huge part. Faux addiction does not. I don't believe Puckett should have been fired, nor should Tiger. But I believe the worship should end. They aren't heroes. They shouldn't be looked up to, yet some folks won't even let that stuff enter into their worship.

I find it incredibly ridiculous that they are worshipped as they are, however. and it is my place to question the idol worship of a man that was utter and complete scum. he absolutely doesn't deserve a statue. I would suggest that very few men do. I absolutely question those that feel the need to worship guys like this. If in 20 years, there is a Tiger statue somewhere, I"ll feel the same way. And if you know even a shred of what Kirby was up to (all the cheating and don't forget the assault at Red Stone in Eden Prairie), how can anyone justify holding the guy up as a great man or even a great anything? A statue? Man, if that's not dressing up a pig...



Barthélemy Barbancourt
Otherwise they are selling a product people want to buy.
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , April 12, 2010

I agree with you K but I think that many players are confused about what the product is. Tiger Woods doesn't make hundreds of millions by winning golf games, he makes most of his money off of advertising. He is a marketing tool and his image is part of that.

I hate when a sports guy who has made millions selling an image gets pissed when his own actions destroy the image he was selling. They all whine that they should just be judged on how they play the game, but they all want the Nike ad contract.

Look at what Micheal Vick sells, nothing. His image is shit. He only gets paid to play ball and people hate him for even playing. His career will be over soon and he will be forgotten.

Sports marketing has been about idolatry for years. The thrill of the game is secondary to the marketing of the players and the games. Sports figures need to be honest about what they are selling. They are selling an image and they need to work to maintain their product.

If you want to be a complete sleazebag, become a politician. Most have no morals at all yet seem to get re-elected year after year.



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What's the difference
written by Kermit , April 12, 2010

Between a major sports figure, a pop musician or a "movie star"? These professions all have bad players and good players. You have to separate the performer from the product. Worshipping a person for any reason is just misguided at best, moronic at worst.


Sequel
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written by Sequel , April 12, 2010

You don't see anyone buying $70 Jerseys with "Salden" and "69" stitched on the back.

That's because "Salden" can't hit the curve.
If Ed could park 35 baseballs a year in the outfield seats, and still hit above 0.275... Kermit would be wearing one of his jerseys.





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written by Kermit , April 12, 2010

Not if it was Yankee pinstripes.


Barthélemy Barbancourt
The product
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , April 12, 2010

Movie stars and musicians usually get the bulk of their revenue from their craft. Sean Penn is an ass, but he makes most his $$ through the movies he's in.

Bruce Springsteen is a liberal moron, but tons of people like his music.

Ask the Dixie Chicks if public opinion affects sales. Or Lyndsey Lohan, Sean Young, Tim Robbins, etc.

Sports stars, musicians and actors can all be affected by bad behavior. They are the product and how the public sees them will affect the value of their work.



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written by Odin , April 12, 2010

Interesting that many of you don't believe these guys are worthy of the respect they receive because they cheated on their wives, but you still seem willing to respect the Catholic Church, an institution that's been guilty of far worse sins.

I agree with Ayn Rand. When you give respect to those who don't deserve it, you cheapen the value.



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written by Kermit , April 12, 2010

Ten yard penalty for pathetic thread-jack attempt. Very pathetic.


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written by Kermit , April 12, 2010

I agree that sports stars, musicians and actors can all be affected by bad behavior. I doubt Michael Jackson ever fully revoered from the revealation that he was a gay pedophile. Tiger took a massive hit in regards to promotions.
Politicians have the same vulnerability. Now if it were revealed that Bart liked to dress up in a school girl uniform and have his wife lash his bare backside while he drank from Fang's bowl, no one would really raise an eyebrow. It just doesn't matter. It has no impact on his daily work, or what he contributes to society. I think we place far to much credence on "celebrity", and far too little on accomplishment.



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written by Fred , April 12, 2010

Well, while I have issues with the way Kirby Puckett conducted his personal life I will never forget his performance in game 6 of the World Series. I just came home from the opener with my son and we arrived early to view the unveiling of his statue. I explained to my son some of the personal problems he had in his life an how he died at an early age for not taking care of his body. Yet his memory will always live on with me. he is a sports hero to me and always will be. he is not a personal role model however and it takes a real man to seperate the two. RIP Kirby and go Twins. They beat the Sox 5-2 and we had a FANTASTIC time!!!!!


Barthélemy Barbancourt
Crap
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , April 12, 2010

Forgot to pull the shades again!


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Yeah
written by Kermit , April 12, 2010

The LME is smokin hot in that black leather SS uniform.


Sequel
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written by Sequel , April 12, 2010

Is she using the riding crop on you again?


Robert Perry
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written by bikebubba , April 13, 2010

That would have been scotch in Fang's bowl, right? :^)

ewwww.......

I wish Jim's story surprised me, but it doesn't. Something seems to happen to many people when they get a few bucks and think nobody's watching.



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written by Kermit , April 13, 2010

No, you cretin. This thread had nothing to do with Catholic priests, and your perverse obsession with them is simply disgusting.


Jim W
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written by Jim W , April 13, 2010

Ok Odin, you're on time out for a while. I shut you down earlier today because you couldn't follow a simple rule. I reactivated you thinking that maybe you got hte message. Apparently you didn't. So enjoy your time away.


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written by Kermit , April 13, 2010

A damn shame, but there is an art to being a liberal troll, and if one can't master it, they become a terrific bore.


Ed Salden
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written by Ed Salden , April 14, 2010

"...there is an art to being a liberal..."

Why do you think they call it Liberal Arts?




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