Why poeple have stopped listening to Barry

Posted by: Barthélemy Barbancourt

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Everybody remembers the urgency of President Obama's attitude toward the awful jobs situation.

Back in early August, Obama said the jobs situation was so urgent that he was going to give another speech about it -- in a month or so, in September after his vacation on Martha's Vineyard.

"Tonight," the president said in the first 34 of his 4,021 words to a national television audience that night, "we meet at an urgent time for our country. We continue to face an economic crisis that has left millions of our neighbors jobless, and a political crisis that has made things worse."

So, given the president's professed urgency, the next day, Sept. 9, everyone asked where was his jobs legislation?

And, well, it seems the urgent jobs bill hadn't actually been written yet but should be ready in a week or two. When the laughter died, the White House said on second thought the legislation would be ready for a photo op the next Monday.

Well, here we are on the next Monday after that next Monday and we've just learned from the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, Dick Durbin, that actually it seems that body won't really be seriously getting into the legislation for a while yet. The Senate has some other more important business to handle. And then there's this month's congressional vacation, which in Washington is called "a recess," like elementary school.

So, as of right now, "right now" uttered on Sept. 8 really means sometime at least one month later.

The worst part is that Obama has encouraged people to contact Congress to pass a bill that he hasn't even submitted yet.

To Recap, Obama has waited 961 to talk about the urgency of jobs, he put off the speech for his vacation and now he is  putting off the bill for a recess and the democrats that run the Senate are in no hurry to put the as yet unwritten bill on their calendar.

There is not one valid reason left to re-elect Obama in 2012.

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 tim-The Dyslexic Blogger
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written by tim-The Dyslexic Blogger , September 19, 2011

Don't forget his vacation was at an ultra exclusive area that only the rich and democratic presidents use for vacation. Very strange that the republicans go home for there vacations and do things like cut wood and clean up the property. Also when the heck is he going to request a fair tax for the 51% of the nation that pay not taxes at all. its only fair after all its time they paid there fair share of the tax burden.


Nobody
Bart
written by Nobody , September 19, 2011

We've ll seen it. He's an "empty suit" teleprompter reader. Left and right, all the same. To the left he didn't do single payer healthcare and place the "rich" in chains. To the right he's been himself, a commie.


TomC
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written by TomC , September 20, 2011

It was apparent to me well before the Democrat primary that he was an empty suit. It was apparent by track record that Dayton was a personality-free wet noodle. It was apparent that Al Franken was the more intelligent of the 3 but not someone you would ever want to represent you. But these people get voted into office. How?


Woody
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written by Woody , September 20, 2011

Democracy is how Tom. Now the President is presenting proposals to reduce the defect and crested jobs and how do the republicans respond, "class warfare". That's going to go over well with the masses. This should be interesting. Maybe when the dust settles the President can take another vacation; possibly to his farm in Kenya to cut down Acacia trees right TIM LOL!


Barthélemy Barbancourt
Obama prefers subsidized housing
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , September 20, 2011

Republicans have private property while Democrats prefer to have their lodgings subsidized. Tony Rezko helped with the Obama house in Chicago and donors help with the vacation digs.

This is yet another area where political philosophy is reflected in their personal lives.



Woody
Republicans have private property while Democrats prefer to have their lodgings subsidized
written by Woody , September 20, 2011

WTF Bart. I've refrained from this for a while but you are painting with a broad brush again. Democrats prefer to have their lodgings subsidized?? What a stupid comment Bart!


Barthélemy Barbancourt
Democratic Presidents
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , September 20, 2011

Obama doesn't have a ranch and he did get help from Tony Resko to buy his home.

Bill Clinton was homeless until he left the White House. All he owned was a mustang, no home.

Republican Presidents vacation at their ranches, Democrat presidents prefer Martha's Vineyard on someone else's dime.

Not all Democrats get public housing, but if you polled those that do reside in subsifized or public housing you'd see a preference for voting Democrat.



Nobody
Woody
written by Nobody , September 20, 2011

Tell me again how crushing the "rich" with taxes is going to create one job? Just how will it reduce the defect without cutting the govmint?


Ed Salden
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written by Ed Salden , September 20, 2011

Nobody, I know you don't agree, but raising taxes does raise money, and if the government holds back on spending, the deficit will go down.

We have to have both.

In your heart you know I'm right.



Woody
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written by Woody , September 20, 2011

Nobody. The President is also proposing significant spending cuts. Ed is right; do the math and one can easily figure out that the defecit will go down as a result. "Crushing" the rich? That's a bit overstated don't you think? The President is only proposing that they be taxed at the same rate as the middle class which does not exactly amount to being crushed.


Nobody
Woody...
written by Nobody , September 20, 2011

See todays AP (not a right wing source) fact check on who's paying how much. it was on Drudge earlier today.

The ORICAL of OMAHA says his sec pays a higher rate than he does, nonsence.If he is that guilt ridden, cut a check, Warren.



Nobody
Woody
written by Nobody , September 20, 2011

Here it is;

http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-rich-taxed-less-secretaries-070642868.html



Woody
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written by Woody , September 20, 2011

The article seems to miss the income gap of $126,000 to $999,000 other than the $379,000 example. Seems odd or was it for the sake of statistics. The article does make a good point though that the tax code is riddles with exemptions deductions and loopholes. As I understand the bill will contain revisions to the tax code to restructure these deductions in an effort to increase revenue. It cannot be done on cuts alone and have any significant long term effect. The "cut a check, Warren" talking point is a bit absurd since one person cutting a check really doesn't make one bit of difference, it needs to be across the board.


Nobody
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written by Nobody , September 20, 2011

All that means is that my acc'nt will read the new, new tax code and advise me how to avoid the tax. I've had a good year this year and to avoid running into the AMT,(again) I'm taking 4Q/11 off. I want to slow down anyway.


Woody
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written by Woody , September 20, 2011

Hey a long vacation! Sounds nice; you're already seeing the benefits of this plan. Enjoy!


jk noreen
Ohh, the irony...
written by jokin , September 20, 2011

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written by Woody , September 20, 2011

"Hey a long vacation! Sounds nice; you're already seeing the benefits of this plan. Enjoy!"

Can anybody be this dense? The President's plan "would" (I stress would, because it's DOA and wouldn't have even passed Congress when he had compelete control) do nothing to create more jobs which is the only structural way to reduce the deficit. It will mollify his base for the very short term (read Woody, Ed), who actually enjoy the same-flavored kool-aid over and over again. Warmed over, rehashed Marxist tripe tastes the same no matter how it's served. Bon appetit, Comrade.




Barthélemy Barbancourt
DOA
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , September 20, 2011

Obama couldn't get 1/2 of this shit passed when the Dems had the House and the Senate. Every honest person knows that this isn't an honest proposal, it's a campaign talking point.

Just answer this, if Obama was serious, why hasn't he even submitted the bill yet?

He know this has no chance of going anywhere. Obama is done be president until after the election. His attention is fully on campaigning now, the only thing he seems to do well.



jk noreen
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written by jokin , September 20, 2011

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written by Ed Salden , September 20, 2011

"Nobody, I know you don't agree, but raising taxes does raise money, and if the government holds back on spending, the deficit will go down."

What color is the sky in your world, Ed? Only a very few months ago, Barry agreed that raising taxes during an unstable economy would be very foolish and he suffered the backlash from his Socialist base. With 16% real actual unemployment and the regulatory/new program explosion since Barry took office, crushing new taxes is the coup de grace recipe for econimic disaster and every one with a lick of sense and/or in political danger in the Democrat party is running away from Barry as fast as he can. Barry is pivoting as fast as he can, trying to save the base, which is jumping the sinking ship. Were you watching the news last week? Chuck Schumer lost to a Republican in his old district that had been held by Dems for 90 years. Even his communications director admitted this latest gambit is just politics for the 2012 election (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09...tml?_r=2&h).

"In your heart you know I'm right."

No, but I know you're a tool unwilling to listen and reason with facts.




Nobody
Woodhead
written by Nobody , September 20, 2011

I will most likely go nuts with that much time on m hands. I will furlow my only employee. How will this grow the GDP? My clients are a bit put off by moving them into 1Q/12, I may lose one.

Have you ever had to do quartley Taxes, along with cutting a check? Bart and I have to, kinda changes your thinking.



Woody
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written by Woody , September 20, 2011

I sure do know how it feels to do quarterly taxes Nobody or at least our accountant does. It's painful to cut the checks at times but the money is there and you set it aside to do your civic duty when the bill comes in. Furlow your only employee during a good year to save on the tax bill? That doesn't sound too logical to me.


jk noreen
Of course it doesn't, Comrade!
written by jokin , September 20, 2011

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written by Woody , September 20, 2011



"That doesn't sound too logical to me."

Because you don't understand that human behavior is defined by the weighing of costs and benefits for behaving in certain ways. Most people won't bust their tails once they hit the AMT threshold and have to work the same long, hard slog for 25-35% less reward. It's really not that hard to figure out, unless you're all in to doing your fulltime "civic duty" for the State Politburo like a good little Wooden apparatchik.




Nobody
Woody
written by Nobody , September 20, 2011

I have worked for forty years to get to only One employee. (I've had as many as 50) I've reinvented myself into a consultant from a production house.

My one employee is my acc'nt/bookeeper.She is part time but a very integral part of my bidness. She will come back after I restart. Why should I keep her when I don't need her? You can't answer any questions, how will me doing nothing for 4Q help the GDP? how will my furlowing my bookeeper help?



Nobody
Wait
written by Nobody , September 20, 2011

A second "The money is there and set aside". I call a giant BS! If you haven't had to go to the bank and grovel for a loan to pay withholding/taxes you've never done the employer deal. GIANT BS!!!!



Woody
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written by Woody , September 20, 2011

I've only had to borrow once to make the tax payment. I anticipate and set aside.


Barthélemy Barbancourt
The double edged sword of employees
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , September 21, 2011

Here is where the BO admin really doesn't get it. If you want to expand, you add people and hope that demand supports them. When demand drops, you often don't fire instantly as you don't know if the drop is temporary or permanent. Once you figure out it's not a short term drop, you have to let people go and your probably in the hole for not cutting back faster.

4 years into this mess and banks are saying that businesses aren't even asking for loans. That means they don't even see opportunities to invest and grow. This is yet another sign of the once bitten twice shy reality of a long term recession/depression.

Guys like Nobody and I can cut back to a one man show and do OK. This is fine for us, but not really good for the economy. If we had a scaled back, stable regulatory and tax environment, Nobody and I would hire a few people to handle the extra work load. (Yeah, I know he says he wants to cut back, but it's almost impossible for guys like us to leave money laying on the ground:-)

Almost no one in the BO admin has ever ran their own business, made payroll (I learned to hate Fridays) bitched about Quarterly taxes based on last year's income, not this year's; nor have they ever had to let a good person go for lack of work. They also haven't had to explain to the Mrs. that while 4 years ago the business giveth us a Mercedes, this year it taketh away our winter vacation.



Nobody
Bart
written by Nobody , September 21, 2011

I'd love to just retire, but my clients won't let me. Like you, not a lot of people do what I do.

It's not a fine line, it can be invisable at times. My bookeeper is almost part of the family and it hurts me to give her the boot even for a few weeks. She'll be OK, I gave her enough to meet her basics for a while.

So much for us eeeevil rich guys.

As for "setting aside" tax dollars, BS. I have a use for every nickel I get. I don't drive a MB, I don't live at Grays Bay, I could but I don't. I've had to grovel for taxes several times over the years, and skipped winter vacations, summer vacations, and vacations in general. PBO hasn't a clue.



Barthélemy Barbancourt
The MB is Obama's fault!
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , September 21, 2011

Ever since the downturn I haven't had a better place for the cash so I spent it on me. If the economy recovers, I'll get serious again about expanding and investing.

Plus, I had to dump the two Chryslers that we had after the bailouts.



Woody
eeeeeevil rich guys.
written by Woody , September 21, 2011

Who thinks you're evil nobody? I sure don't. From the sounds of out, you're a good hard working man like myself.


Nobody
Bart
written by Nobody , September 21, 2011

I heard that. As of late my Mrs. is geting lots and lots of jewelry. Chrysler used to be a reliable client of mine, not so much anymore.


 tim-The Dyslexic Blogger
Woody open your eyes and take of the dam blinders off
written by tim-The Dyslexic Blogger , September 21, 2011

"Now the President is presenting proposals to reduce the defect" I'm sorry but 3 dollars in taxes to every 1 in cuts is not a proposal that will get very far at all seeing as he piled on the spending like he did when he first came into office it should be reversed we cannot afford any more spending. When you borrow 40% of every dollar you spend you have no right to even expect people to give over any more of their hard errand money.
Now about this line he keeps repeating about how the rich need to pay their fair share. When 51% of the people in this country pay nothing at all in taxes, and none of the new taxes are applied to the 51% only to the people that make more than $200.000.00 where is the fairness there huum?
He has also found a new way to screw over the retired military vets of this nation too now he is going to kill the current military retirement plan because in his words it was created in an earlier day and age, and not appropriate for our current day and age. Like even knows what it's like to be in the military, or any of his cabinet for that matter. You take some one out of the normal day to day life pay them next to nothing and expect them to be ready to throw themselves at the enemy on a moment's notice. With whatever gear they say is good enough for the job. Then expect us to put in 20 years or more to receive a pension or receive nothing at all if you don't complete the 20 years. ya right next their going to go after us disabled vets.
"and crested jobs and how do the republicans respond, "class warfare". That's going to go over well with the masses." are you talking about all Americans or only the ones that don't pay taxes? oh and the only jobs he has talked about are construction or teaching jobs nothing he has talked about will create a single private sector job.
"This should be interesting. Maybe when the dust settles the President can take another vacation; possibly to his farm in Kenya to cut down Acacia trees right TIM LOL!"
Let's see now where have I ever questioned the Presidents nationality, or where his home is located at? The only house I know of that he owns if located in Chicago and some how he got some guy named Rubio to go along with selling him part of their lot at a really good price that then mad Rubio's lot unusable for much of anything.
Oh by the way is there any chance that the next time the first family goes on vacation if they could all go on the same plane. This idea of taking air force one and two to the same place about 4 hours apart is a fucking joke. There is no way he can make any kind of claim of being the green president when he takes the most expensive form of transportation back and forth across the US when they could all be on the same dam plane like the rest of us do things.



Woody
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written by Woody , September 22, 2011

Take a chill pill Tim you're ranting. Did the President buy his house from Marco Rubio?? I thought there was something fishy there. It all makes perfect sense now....


Barthélemy Barbancourt
Resko, not Rubio
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , September 22, 2011

One of the many Obama scandals that the press skipped while the pored through Sarah Palin's trash cans.


 tim-The Dyslexic Blogger
Opps wrong name
written by tim-The Dyslexic Blogger , September 22, 2011

when you trying to put something on the blog a 2 am it does not work well but that's what its going to be like as work and school again that is why I'm not around much right now.



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