The Libtards killed Vo-Tech?

Posted by: Barthélemy Barbancourt

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It has been a while since I was in High School so I was surprised to learn that the schools have done away with vo-tech. I would recommend to almost any kid a vocational training. My electrician charges $85 an hour, the plumber can get up to $125 an hour and the HVAC guy just picks a number and I pray that he shows up. This came to my attention from the testimony of Mike Rowe.

Right now, American manufacturing is struggling to fill 200,000 vacant positions. There are 450,000 openings in trades, transportation and utilities. The skills gap is real, and it's getting wider. In Alabama, a third of all skilled tradesmen are over 55. They're retiring fast, and no one is there to replace them.

In high schools, the vocational arts have all but vanished. We've elevated the importance of "higher education" to such a lofty perch that all other forms of knowledge are now labeled "alternative." Millions of parents and kids see apprenticeships and on-the-job-training opportunities as "vocational consolation prizes," best suited for those not cut out for a four-year degree. And still, we talk about millions of "shovel ready" jobs for a society that doesn't encourage people to pick up a shovel.

I can assure you that learning to do electrical, HVAC or plumbing will get you further today than a BA in Lesbian Film Noir

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Nobody
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written by Nobody , May 13, 2011

I've got a friend that does HVAC and knocks down six figures. What ever became wrong with working with your hands?


Jonny Texas
seriously
written by Jonny Texas , May 13, 2011

Pick up ANY jobs type publication and you WILL find welders jobs. They all pay 15-20 bucks an hour starting.

Down here there is a lot of oil field jobs. Field work is not easy but it pays in the $25/hr range. People will only work long enough to get enough experience to go to Alberta and work the tar sands. They spend two years working up there and come back, pay cash for a house, an F-250, and marry their HS sweetheart. They bum around until they go broke and head back to Alberta for another rotation. lather, rinse, repeat.

They get paid shit-tons of cash to work outside in the boonies in Canada. I worked the flight-line at Grand forks for two winters and made less than 20K a year + room and board, I GOT SCREWED!

The moral of the story is, yes Bart you are right. Being "uneducated" (i.e. lack of a undergrad degree) and poor is o.k. to Democrats because that means that you are a reliable voter. Being "uneducated" and middle class is bad because it means that you will be a Republican because you dislike social welfare programs. It's patronage at it's best.



TomC
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written by TomC , May 14, 2011

Funny, but I am trying to think of what K-12 does teach. Surely not reading, writing and 'rithmetic, not history or civics. I heard they do teach family planning, social justice, home economics (or whatever PC term it is called now)and one-group-or-another rights; honor Ramadan, Black History Month, senior skip day, and support Wisconsin teachers as they fight the Scott Walker anti-union legislation day; and no longer have sewing rooms, IA labs, time or money for the arts, or PE classes that are not relabeled as "Health" and do not involve much in the way of activity.

Kids "graduate" without the tools they need to survive life, let alone try to manage a vocation. They need a year or two of "college" developmental education courses in order to have an 8th grade level of English and Math.

What is a VoTech school going to do with someone who doesn't have a 13-year-olds level knowledge of Math? Someone who cannot figure the area of a house roof in order to purchase the shingles for it? Someone who is incapable of estimating the pipe or wire needed for a building or renovation project? 18-year-olds that are capable of saying "Would you like fries with that?" but confused and incapable of figuring the change you get back if you hand them $5.02 for a $4.77 amount?

Teachers unions, with significant help from Democrats, in particular, and government, in general, have done and continue to do more long term damage to the entire structure of society than terrorists could hope to accomplish. Generations of damage.



Woody
Ridiculous Tom!
written by Woody , May 14, 2011

"Funny, but I am trying to think of what K-12 does teach. Surely not reading, writing and 'rithmetic, not history or civics. I heard they do teach family planning, social justice, home economics (or whatever PC term it is called now)and one-group-or-another rights; honor Ramadan, Black History Month, senior skip day, and support Wisconsin teachers as they fight the Scott Walker anti-union legislation day; and no longer have sewing rooms, IA labs, time or money for the arts, or PE classes that are not relabeled as "Health" and do not involve much in the way of activity"

Tom, as someone who is actively involved in my kids education and who visits the school frequently I'll say with confidence that your above statement is COMPLETELY FALSE. The GOP has done more damage to Vo-Tech programs thru budget cuts than any "Libtard" policies ever did.



Barthélemy Barbancourt
Math
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , May 14, 2011

There are profiles of tradesmen and women on Mike's website and almost all of them say that they use math everyday, even though they didn't like math in school.

Then there is the typing up of quotes, so a decent command of English is required as well as computer skills.

The Budget cuts boogey man doesn't work when we are spending $12,000 a kid. Holland spends hald that amount and kick our asses in test scores. How the fuck does $12,000 a kid count as a budget cut?

The real enemy has been odentified, the teachers unions and the public employees unions. These college educated morons care more about benefits than actually teaching kids. The left had better find another big lie becuase no one buys the Budget cut BS anymore.



jk noreen
Cmon, let's start a dialogue
written by jokin , May 14, 2011

Bart: "The left had better find another big lie becuase no one buys the Budget cut BS anymore."

{"No one" except the liberal-coated-green-eyeshade-brigade, of which Woodrow is the faithful waterboy.}

Woody: "Gosh, I regularly attend PTA meetings and my teachers are all good Dems like me and spout the same PC shibboleths that I do, my kid's school building would make the designer of the Taj Mahal blush, therefore my school is awesome!, so, every public school in the country is awesome, too! Stop being so politically incorrect, Tom, ignore the undeniable data and facts that document the utter failure in public education in the last 50 years and fork over even more money to the awesome public schools!"


Superficial budget "cuts" in education only have occurred in order to continue to feed the beast that is the teacher's union. It was proven during the Wisconsin flap, that the union was willing to sacrifice teacher's jobs and even some incremental benefits rather than lose the right to put a gun to the taxpayer's heads every two years- and all without ever coming into an agreement to raise teacher's accountability to the DEMONSTRABLY BAD JOB they are doing in the classroom.

Until the unholy alliance between the Dems and the NEA- which funnels the confiscated union dues directly to the bribeees- is broken, the public schools will be broken.




Woody
Faithful waterboy??
written by Woody , May 14, 2011

On your knees now jokin! And make it nice...

College educated morons?? Ah the education baaad mantra is in full gear I see.




jk noreen
Start thinking for yourself , Bobby Boucher, and you might get promoted to "Canteen Boy"
written by jokin , May 14, 2011

Faithful waterboy??
written by Woody , May 14, 2011


"Ah the education baaad mantra is in full gear I see."

Repeat after me: "Education-Good" "Indoctrination-Bad" "PC Bureaucracy-Worst"





TomC
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written by TomC , May 14, 2011

If parents were able to command the force of a $12000 voucher for their child's education and put the power of the free-market to work in education, the sky is the limit for education. I am not against government-funded education. I am against government-provided education.

There is power in a class of 30 students, each with $12000 attached to them. You want access to vocational technology, or longer or shorter school days or years? Those services will be the differences that schools will provide to get those dollars.



jk noreen
David Mamet has it figured out
written by jokin , May 14, 2011

Liberal apostate and the most brilliant American playwright of his generation, David Mamet, recently spoke at a typical University, to faculty and students alike, and blasphemed:


"Higher ed, he said, was an elaborate scheme to deprive young people of their freedom of thought. He compared four years of college to a lab experiment in which a rat is trained to pull a lever for a pellet of food. A student recites some bit of received and unexamined wisdom—“Thomas Jefferson: slave owner, adulterer, pull the lever”—and is rewarded with his pellet: a grade, a degree, and ultimately a lifelong membership in a tribe of people educated to see the world in the same way."

Bring back a re-emphasis on encouraging enrollment in ideology-neutral Vo-Techs and how about throwing in at least a couple liberal arts schools that don't-

1) hate America and, for that matter, all of Western Civilization; and

2) might actually teach apoliticized, common-sense, professional skills that can be readily applied in the real world.

C'mon Ed and Woody! So I've been told: "Diversity is our greatest strength!"




Woody
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written by Woody , May 16, 2011

Mamet must have been a joy to study with in College. "C'mon man don't be a slave to the experiment, let's go smoke this". That's not the way I saw my college experience. I went for the mastering of my major and to learn; not the grades. I don't believe anybody is discouraging Vo-Techs; they still exist and their enrollment has not suffered especially with the drastic increases in college tuition of late.

You are correct, diversity is one of our greatest strengths.



Barthélemy Barbancourt
Woody, when did you take your last college class
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , May 16, 2011

Your view of college and what is occurring today may be radically different.


Sequel
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written by Sequel , May 16, 2011

diversity is one of our greatest strengths.

Today's education loves diversity of skin color as long as no one strays from the reservation.
Diversity of thought and ideology?
RACIST! RACE TRAITOR!
You'd better keep those thoughts to yourself boy.




Woody
Oh Bart
written by Woody , May 16, 2011

I went to college in the 80's and even WAY BACK THEN there were classes and profs that had a strong liberal ideology. Ecology and evolution for example. I learned a lot in college and, in the end, was able to turn my course of study into a satisfying profession. Sorry Sequel if you were somehow offended by the diversity comments.



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