Texas Woman Told to Remove 'Offensive' American Flag From Office

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Debbie McLucas comes from a patriotic family – her husband and both of her sons served in the U.S. military, and her daughter is currently deployed to Iraq on her second tour of duty as a combat medic. Why is it now offensive to place an American flag in an office? I find it rather strange for a supervisor telling an employ that her flag was offensive to anyone. Especially to an emigrant to this country, if this fellow supervisor that shares miss McLucas office finds the flag of this country offensive perhaps she should reconsider living in a country that has such an offensive object as its fla How would you react if your supervisor came up to you, and told you that the flag you had put up was offensive to some one?
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auntypsychotic
i don't think they are trying to do the right thing. i don't think they know what that is.
written by auntypsychotic , May 31, 2009

" How would you react if your supervisor came up to you, and told you that the flag you had put up was offensive to some one? "

What I would do is as follows and in order:
1. Retrieve dropped jaw.
2. Write down the entire the entire
exchange; including date, time, who
said what, who was present etc.
3. Request the order in writing,
including my supervisors signature.
4. Contact an attorney.
5. Quit my job.
6. Spit my supervisor in the eye.
7. Tell the objector to "Fuck
off and Die but do it at "home".



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Start Singing
written by Kermit , May 31, 2009

God bless America, land that I love
Stand beside her, and guide her
Through the night with the light from above.

From the mountains, to the prairies
to the oceans white with foam
God bless America! My home sweet home.



Elmer
Ideas for response
written by Elmer , May 31, 2009

I'd say, "Fuck you. And how are the wife and kids?"

The boss is obviously an office bully. I like Aunty's approach, but I'd also stop by the VFW or American Legion bar and get a few free beers for telling the story. I'd also call Fox News ASAP and have public opinion get the bully fired.



A Non Y Mouse
A USA flag offensive in the USA? WTF.
written by A Non Y Mouse , May 31, 2009

he supervisors, micro-management, controlling demeanor is offensive.
Interesting to know what business found it offensive. What clientèle would be alienated by an American flag in the U.S.A.? Is it a money wiring business?
Tim will you please post the link to the article or source?



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Flag Day is coming up, too
written by MoonliteSonata , May 31, 2009

on June 14th.
Where I work, the Elks are allowing a 2 days display of every American Flag used, going back to the very first, June 12th & 13th.
On Flag Day, we will be doing our Flag Day Ceremony at the VA medical center here in St.Cloud, for the veterans.
What would I do if someone was offended?
I'd do what Aunty said. She's taught me well to get things like that in writing and signed.



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should say
written by MoonliteSonata , May 31, 2009

"where I work, they are allowing the Elks to display"
Oops.



Ben
wow...
written by Ben , May 31, 2009

This belongs on my "were done as a society" segment on my blog.


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...
written by Kermit , May 31, 2009

Little tip, Ben: apostrophes. "We're" as in the contraction of "We are". Literacy is free.


Ben
...
written by Ben , May 31, 2009

must. kill. grammar nazi


Ben
also...
written by Ben , May 31, 2009

like my avatar?


 tim-The Dyslexic Blogger
Link for flag removal story
written by tim-The Dyslexic Blogger , May 31, 2009

I'm sorry Mouse it didn't link right here is the URL

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,522659,00.html



Bats Right
...
written by Bats Right , June 01, 2009

Ditch the flag, and then: Get an Iwa Jima paperweight for my desk, hang a framed portrait of Ronald Reagan on the wall, put a Russiam flag down as a doormat, set my ringtone to "USA, USA, USA."


Dougie_D
Tempest in a Tea Kettle?
written by Dougie_D , June 01, 2009

"The statement went on to explain: “The disagreement was over the size of the flag and not what it symbolized. We have invited the employee to put the flag back up.”

And it will go back up and stay up, McLucas said.

"I do think they're trying to do the right thing. I have no reason to believe the flag won't remain there as long as I'm employed.""

Looks to me like they resolved the issue and she was allowed to put the flag back up. What's the issue again?



 tim-The Dyslexic Blogger
Flag Removal
written by tim-The Dyslexic Blogger , June 01, 2009

The issue in a nut shell is
1. She was even told to take it down
2. The immigrant that found it offensive was allowed to remove the flag when she was not there.
3. That she was told that if one person is offended by this nations flag it would have to come down.
4. That an immigrant would find the flag of the nation she came to on her own free will to have a better life then the place she left offensive in the first place. Maybe she should go back home instead.


I think that about covers it in a nut shell.



Steve Anderson
Tempest in a Teakettle?
written by sanders , June 01, 2009

DD, to add on to Tim's list:

5. (from the story) "I went to the office to retrieve it and found the flag wrapped around the pole, sitting in the corner on the ground...". The disrespect shown to her property, and the lack of flag etiquette is another piece of it.



Dougie_D
Huh?
written by Dougie_D , June 02, 2009

Did we read the same article?

1. The flag was removed because of the size not that it was a flag. We don't know how this was hung up. Maybe it blocked this woman's view of the window or was flapping into her work space.

2. Once again did not find the flag offensive, found the placement offensive.

3. A person without the authority to make this statement said this. This was not a rule but one persons interpretation.

4. You obviously can't read. She didn't find the flag offensive, she found the size and placement. I think the disrespect shown to the flag at car dealers that leave the flags up in all weather, often unlit and damaged offensive a much bigger affront but I haven't seen a FOX news article about that.

5. If a flag is attached to a pole, the proper storage is to roll the flag around the pole. At least that is how my dad, a korean war veteran, stored ours between Flag Holidays.

Editor's Note:
WTF??? " You obviously can't read" ???

As far as I can tell this is where the trouble started. Now cut this shit out!

Il Duce'



Badda
Dougie D, please resist...
written by Badda , June 02, 2009

...saying that Tim obviously cannot read.
You're getting a little too snide. You can, and have, easily made your point without resorting to snarky behavior.



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Did your dad ..
written by MoonliteSonata , June 02, 2009

store the flag and pole on the floor, Dougie? If so, it was improper. Flags attached to poles should be stood up, rolled or not. No American flag should touch the ground. Flag etiquette states that pretty clearly. That's pretty much why any flag over 3 feet has to be folded by two people.
What I find so stupid about this is that the woman who was offended, be it by the flag itself or its size, etc. didn't have the balls to just talk to the owner herself, but went to a supervisor and complained instead. This to me is a red flag about the person making the complaint. Either she was a spineless jellyfish who couldn't speak for herself, or she was using size as an excuse to complain in order to get rid of the offensive material invading her space. Either way, the complainer is an idiot, and it was handled all wrong by administration.



Dougie_D
Ignoring the Story
written by Dougie_D , June 02, 2009

Tim is either willfully ignoring the statements in the story or he can't read. Which is it?

I made the point previously and it obviously didn't sink in.

I still don't understand why this is a story. A woman put up a huge flag in her office that was annoying a coworker. Not because it was the Stars and Stripes but because it was a huge object. Her supervisor made an error in judgement by taking the flag down. The error was rectified and the flag went back up.

Can you explain the hand wringing?



 tim-The Dyslexic Blogger
Tim is either willfully ignoring the statements in the story or he can't read. Which is it?
written by tim-The Dyslexic Blogger , June 02, 2009

Nether

I respect the flag in any size, and if you can't see what is written in that story of how the fellow worker an immigrant to this country was offended ( the words of the story) by the flag being placed in the office.
Offended 1. cause somebody anger, resentment, or hurt.
transitive and intransitive verb to hurt somebody's feelings, or cause resentment, irritation, anger, or displeasure.

I'm sorry that you can not understand how I am not bothered by someone that has decided to come to this country of there own free will can find offense in the flag of there adopted country.
and on top of that willfully disrespects the flag by casting it on the ground. Or do you think that I should just take it all and just not be offended that some one is disrespecting the flag of my country. There is no guaranty that you will not be offended by things this PC crap is getting to be to stupid. Ether you are willfully ignoring that part or you Just think I do not have a right to comment on something that I think is getting to be to much out of hand. Where someone is offended by something that should not really be offensive in the a non PC world.



 tim-The Dyslexic Blogger
by the way
written by tim-The Dyslexic Blogger , June 02, 2009

The one statement that "I was told that as long as my flag offended one person, it would be taken down," is to me the biggest part of the whole store that bothers me the most. This country is going over board to protect peoples feelings. there is no guaranty that your feelings or your beliefs will not be hurt. too much PC crap going on.


Badda
Comprehension
written by Badda , June 02, 2009

Now, Dougie D... the shoe is on the other foot.

Here is the story I read a few days before Tim posted the subject:
http://cbs11tv.com/local/patriotism.at.office.2.1020415.html


Mansfield Flag Controversy Draws Worldwide Outrage


For one Arlington woman, the answer was "no" after she hung an American flag in her office just before the Memorial Day weekend.

Debbie McLucas is one of four hospital supervisors at Kindred Hospital in Mansfield. Last week, she hung a three-by-five foot American flag in the office she shares with the other supervisors.

When McLucas came to work Friday, her boss told her another supervisor had found her flag offensive. "I was just totally speechless. I was like, 'You're kidding me,'" McLucas said.

McLucas' husband and sons are former military men. Her daughter is currently serving in Iraq as a combat medic.

Stifling a cry, McLucas said, "I just wonder if all those young men and women over there are really doing this for nothing."

McLucas said the supervisor who complained has been in the United States for 14 years and is formerly from Africa. McLucas said that supervisor took down the flag herself.

"The flag and the pole had been placed on the floor," McLucas said. But McLucas also said hospital higher-ups had told her some patients' families and visitors had also complained.

"I was told it wouldn't matter if it was only one person," she said. "It would have to come down."

McLucas said hospital bosses told her as far as patriotism was concerned, the flag flying outside the hospital building would have to suffice.

"I find it very frightening because if I can't display my flag," McLucas asked, "whatother freedoms will I lose before all is said and done?"

Kindred Healthcare's corporate headquarters are located in Kentucky. We called them for comment when we were first working on this story Tuesday, but they did not return our calls.

Wednesday morning, however, our story received nationwide attention. We have received hundreds of emails and comments from people who had something to say about it.

Among the supporters was a combat medic in Iraq: Debbie McLucas' daughter, Lillian McLucas Dressig. "My mom is a true hero in my book," she said.

It was midnight in Iraq when she spoke to CBS 11. Talking about the stand her mother took which could have cost her job, Lillian said, "If it's the right thing to do, it's the right thing to do. And, I think we need more people to stand up for what's right in America."

Several dozen people protested outside the Mansfield hospital Wednesday. And a receptionist at Kindred's headquarters told us they received many phone calls.

After the update we start to hear that the so-called complaints were over the flag's size.

Then, late Wednesday morning, Kindred posted on its website a statement about the incident. It reads, in part: "The disagreement was over the size of the flag and not what it symbolized. We have invited the employee to put the flag back up."

We talked to McLucas Wednesday afternoon. She says the hospital's local CEO called and apologized. And McLucas says the woman did tell her she could put the flag back up, which she has done.

But she says when she was first told the flag had to go, nobody mentioned anything about its size being the root of the problem.

"At no point was I afforded the opportunity -- [no one said,] 'Hey Deb, could you get a one and a half by three and a half and hang it instead of hanging this three by five?'" McLucas said.

Even so, McLucas says she's happy people have spoken out about the issue. "It's just restored my faith in the American people," she said.


I'm not so sure that the flag's size is at issue... but is sounds like a great way for the hospital to side-step additional telephone complaints in favor of allowing the flag in the woman's office.



See? I didn't even need to question your ability to read or make fun of you for a perceived learning disability, Dougie D. See how easy that was?



Badda
For the love of formatting
written by Badda , June 02, 2009

Bold and Italicizing doesn't work?

Sorry, Dougie D. My comments are going to be hard to figure out up there.



Dougie_D
Offense?
written by Dougie_D , June 02, 2009

Even that article doesn't say that they woman was told that the offensive part was that it was an American Flag, she assumed that and jump to the conclusion. This sounds to be a spat in an office that was handled poorly. She sure played the oppressed American card fast and furiously.

There is no evidence that the initial removal had anything to do with it being a flag.

I would question the journalistic integrity of this report also. There are key words in there like "so-called complaint." I'm not sure how relevent talking to her daughter in Iraq is to determining what happened. Other than trying to elicit an emotional response.



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Huge?
written by K-Rod , June 02, 2009

3' x 5' is not huge.

Check out the flags at Perkins.



 tim-The Dyslexic Blogger
There is no evidence that the initial removal had anything to do with it being a flag.
written by tim-The Dyslexic Blogger , June 02, 2009

reading comprehension problem you are trying to pawn off on me looks like it hangs on you Dougie_D.

RIGHT FROM THE FIRST LINES OF THE REPORT
"So when McLucas arrived at work at a Texas hospital last Friday, she was stunned to be told that the Stars and Stripes she had hung in her office in advance of Memorial Day were offensive, and that the flag had been removed.

“I got into work, I was met by my supervisor and told that there had been multiple complaints, that people found the flag very offensive and it had been taken down," McLucas told FOX News.com." there was nothing mentioned about the size tell the hospital covered its ass with a press release.

I for one think it is long past time for American citizens stand up for there rights when the hurt fillings police start rearing there heads.

As I had said in an erlyer comment if an immigrant to this country finds our national symbols offensive it is time for that person to return to there home country, and by the way that is my opinion.



Barthélemy Barbancourt
No Insults Please!
written by Il Duce’ , June 03, 2009

I don't want to have to say this again. Don't insult another poster, just refute his points.

This is your first warning for Dougie and Tim, 3 strikes and you're out.




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