More Right Wing Violence
Well, not really. As we have seen over the last 50 odd years the vast majority of public violence comes from the far Left. Yesterday was no exception.
http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0901_demands.pdf
Mr. Lee was a certified nutjob who was greatly influenced by Al Gore's fable An Inconvenient Truth. He also bought into the completely discredited theories of Malthus (I wonder what university taught him that crap?). Here's just a sample, so you can see into the mind of an environment whackjob. It's his "manifesto" delivered to the Discovery Channel.
These are the demands and sayings of Lee.
Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution.
All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs' places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed.
Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE!
Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn't, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??
Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don't build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth!
Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what's left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture.
He goes on (and on and on). OK, so the dude has mental issues, but seriously, what hard Left activist doesn't? It's just more proof that the heart of liberalism is misanthropic.
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written by Jim W , September 02, 2010
Well would you look at that...a liberal global warming nutjob terrorist. Inciting fear in innocent people in the name of his political cause.
in other news, the sun rose in the east today. And it rained.
written by Don Roscoe , September 02, 2010
Domestic terrorism. Right wing extremist. 188 people died. The left has a long, long way to go to equal that one.
Lets not forget abortion clinic bombings, the asassination of the doctor and I have to include Waco. Yes. I know, the right thinks its all the fault of the government but the reality is that those deaths could have been avoided if he had surrendered. Four federal agents were killed in the first assault, a fact usually forgotten by you folks.
And yesterday, the only person who died was the nut job. Thank government for that one.
written by Kermit , September 02, 2010
Ah yes, Oklahoma City. That's all you've got, Don, and we have argued (successfully) that McVeigh wasn't "right wing". He was a NAZI. A National Socialist. Waco? That was Big Government at it's finest. Blame the Democrat president and Janet Reno, not conservatives.
Abortion clinic bombings? I'll match your clinic bombings one for one with car dealership bombings, real estate development arsons, tree spiking and general rioting by the left, and I'll have plenty left over when you've exhausted yours.
And the nutjob yesterday was one of yours. Deal with it.
written by Don Roscoe , September 02, 2010
I would suggest you visit the memorial there. I would also suggest you reach out to some of the families of the victim's.
By any measure, McVeigh was no liberal/progressive. Were he alive today, I am confident he would identify with what the Tea Party is trying to do,
I would love to hear how Clinton and Reno were somehow responsible for his actions.
You are far gone, for sure.
I'll match your clinic bombings one for one with car dealership bombings, real estate development arsons, tree spiking and general rioting by the left,"
Kerm -- no one died in the incidents you described. 188 died at Waco and 75+ at Waco.
written by Kermit , September 02, 2010
Clinton and Reno were responsible for Waco. McVeigh was a fascist, reacting to government progressive fascism. Progressives are fascists. Read up on Woodrow Wilson and get back to me.
And the nutjob yesterday was one of yours. Deal with it. That was the point you are trying to deflect. It won't work.
written by Barthélemy Barbancourt , September 02, 2010
The media will try to hide the fact that this guy is an Al Gore groupie.
written by Badda , September 02, 2010
So this whackjob at the Discovery center... and that guy with the plane who crashed into the building.
Have the left-stream media covered them well at all, especially considering the left-wing manifesto and rants they had?
Were there others, too?
written by Kermit , September 02, 2010
Were there others, too?
Mao and Castro. They killed a lot more than 188.
written by Don Roscoe , September 02, 2010
Fascinating logic. I would never have guessed that the Aryan Brothethood or any of the other neo-Nazi groups would identify with liberalism or progressives.
"McVeigh was a fascist, reacting to government progressive fascism." So once again, right wing terrorists aren't really terrorists - they're just rebelling against the man right?
Sorry - the body count on the right wing side of the debate is pretty significant. Progressives express their anger generally at the ballot box. We have our nuts as well but we try to limit our damage to property. Killing innocent men, women and children just doesn't work for us.
Spin all you want - McVeigh is considered a right wing terrorist by law enforcement - and by all but the most deranged Ameticans.
written by Badda , September 02, 2010
If you are correct, Don... you've left out one important factor.
They are in the past. These eco-terrorists and civilization haters are with the left-wing... and they are active right now.
written by Kermit , September 02, 2010
Progressives express their anger with burning dumpsters and smashed store windows. And when they get power, the bodies get piled high.
written by Don Roscoe , September 02, 2010
on your comment?
And when they get power, the bodies get piled high.
written by Don Roscoe , September 02, 2010
were liberals/progressives?
Based on what?
written by Badda , September 02, 2010
Oh, come now, Don... you're a student of history! This is basic level information Mister Reverend. It's your job to know this stuff and look it up... not Kermit's!
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At least, that was your track earlier this week.
written by Kermit , September 02, 2010
Based on what?
I just can't speak to this level of intentional obtuseness.
It has reached the level of satire.
written by Badda , September 02, 2010
Kermit,
In fairness to Don, I asked him to simply give me some substance in the previous conversation. He neglected to do that, for whatever reason... and now in this case he's perfectly reasonable in asking you the same question.
Do him the courtesy of at least explaining yourself, Kermit. Start there.
written by Don Roscoe , September 02, 2010
I find no basis for Kermit's statement.
written by Badda , September 02, 2010
Don,
Considering you wouldn't provide links, quotes, or evidence to support your story (one in which I merely asked for something to read) you sniffed at the idea...
...so you, sir, ought to feel like a complete jackass for your double-standard.
written by Badda , September 02, 2010
In fact, the two of you are regrettable douchebags... but, as had been evidenced in the past with you both, you could easily contribute to reasonable conversations if you checked your effing egos and jackass attitudes at the damn door.
written by Don Roscoe , September 02, 2010
Real and not imagined, I was struck an observation by a colleague the other day. The parallels between today's conservative politicians and Nazi Germany are striking. For example, both wanted to round up large numbers of people and deport them. Of course, today's conservatives aren't supporting mass executions but both are singling people of color or religious affiliation (Muslims) and singling them out for special treatment.
But you won't find us slinging the Nazi moniker - we're trying to stay classy and on issue. Unfortunately the same cannot be said about you.
written by Badda , September 02, 2010
To whom are you referring, Rahelio? Or should I say, which one of us are you trying to wind up?
written by Don Roscoe , September 02, 2010
"just calling a spade a spade".
written by Kermit , September 02, 2010
Hey Badda, you know about the strange looking man sitting on a bus bench muttering to himself? You don't ever ask him a question.
written by Badda , September 02, 2010
Don-Helio,
You also called folks coons, too. Not only that, but you've been evasive yet asked others for links and quotes.
Kermit,
You're that strange looking man on the bench.
written by Jonny , September 02, 2010
This one ran off the rails quickly.
Mr. Lee was a douche. No sane person on the left would claim him as their spokes loonie any more than any Christian would claim David Koresh as their spokes idiot.
Both the left and the right have spawned their share of deranged people that believe it is a good idea to hurt/kill/maim/terrify others.
The measure of a group or an ideology should be as to how fast they distance/condemn/contradict the acts of those that use violence to achieve their ends.
I will gladly debate the merits of any idea or ideology with anyone no matter how wacky or misguided I think they are. I will let the strength of my ideas stand for themselves and they will get stronger for the exercise or change with the facts. However, the minute you threaten me discussion over.
written by tim-The Dyslexic Blogger , September 02, 2010
"The parallels between today's conservative politicians and Nazi Germany are striking. For example, both wanted to round up large numbers of people and deport them. Of course, today's conservatives aren't supporting mass executions but both are singling people of color or religious affiliation (Muslims) and singling them out for special treatment."
Hum lest see now the only people we are talking about rounding up and deporting are illegals that have enter this country illegally and are law breakers. no coloration there at all with Nazi Germany. the only Muslims we have a problem with are the Taliban and Al-qadia Why do you not want to obay the law?
written by Jim W , September 03, 2010
Sigh.
And yet another post and valid point diverted. Chris Stewart is a master of this, and sadly, some fell prey to it. Congratulations.
This, of course, doesn't change teh fact that a known left wing eco-terrorist is now dead because he deserved to die for his crimes. and it also doesn't change the fact that he is a liberal. NO diversionary tactic employed by Chris Roscoe P Coltrane Stewart can change it. No level of Bush bashing, no "yeah but". Nothing.
written by Kermit , September 03, 2010
Jonny does make the valid point that "Both the left and the right have spawned their share of deranged people". From my POV it seems that more sprout from the left. This is why the first thing I wrote was the vast majority of public violence comes from the far Left. Not all, the vast majority.
written by Badda , September 03, 2010
I think it's safe to say that in the 90s there were more radicals from the right who used violence to further their cause... and in the last ten years its more from the radicals on the left.
Let's hear more from Johnny.
written by Jonny , September 03, 2010
Al qaeda right or left?
Who cares if your left or right? It's your propensity for violence that concerns me and your willingness to accept or turn a blind eye to it to further your cause.
Anyones words or cause can be grabbed by a loonie to do bad things. If Don or Kermit's words were seized by someone as cause to perform acts of violence I would expect them to vocally distance themselves from the perpetrator. If not I would be obliged to take them to task.
written by Badda , September 03, 2010
If I'm not mistaken, that was similar to what was said here after that guy flew the plane into the building earlier this year.
written by Kermit , September 03, 2010
Al qaeda right or left?
Good question. Since they are all Sharia, they believe in one party, big government rule, with that government dictating every aspect of private life. Who does that sound like?
written by Jonny , September 03, 2010
On the other hand Kermit you have religious involvement in government, a strongly defined moral code (whether you approve or not it's there).
I personally don't think that Islam is a left or right thing. It is too involved to be solely a religion. Legal system, economic system, governmental system, moral system, and religion all
Note: No offense intended to Kermit or Don by naming you in the previous post. I just pulled you guys out of the ether because of your strong views and prodigious posting.rolled into one. It's pretty unique.
written by Kermit , September 04, 2010
Jonny, Islam is a political religion. It was invented to supplant Judahism, and to a lesser extent, Christianity. That's why it "borrows" so liberally from those two faiths. But at it's core it is as fascist as the early Christian church was.
Fascism is not a conservative trait, no matter what liberals will tell you. It is the core of liberalism. Everything to the government, everything from the government.
written by Jonny , September 04, 2010
Totalitarian concentration of power is hardly a left or right characteristic. It can happen at the extreme of either end of the spectrum. State supremacy is there in monarchies as well as theocracies, neither of which is necessarily a left wing organization.
Every class on politics and every book I have ever read has placed Fascism as the far right label. If Fascism is not the extreme of right wing ideology? What would you label the extreme right?
written by Kermit , September 04, 2010
Jonny, read Jonah Goldberg's book Liberal Fascism. You may not agree with him, but it will give you a good perspective. The most fascist president America has had was Woodrow Wilson, and he was a "Progressive".
Totaliarianism is not necessarily "left or right", but the left is far more likely to compliment it. The well intentioned are the most easily co-opted.
written by Jonny , September 04, 2010
Goldberg's book has been added to my library list. I gotta go there to return some books anyway. Thanks for the recommendation.
You did kind of dodge my question though. What is the label that you would choose to use for the extreme right?
written by Kermit , September 04, 2010
Jonny, "extreme" is not quantifiable. It's a great word to toss out in generality when you want to discredit someone you disagree with. Mao, Hitler, Stalin and Castro are demonstrably "extreme", but this IS quantifiable, as we have historical records of their actions.
But when we marry the demonstrated with theoretical we tread very thin ice. Call Glenn Beck an "extremist". Are you comparing him to mass murderers like Mao? My label for the extreme right is no different. My label for the extreme left usually comes with a very high mortality rate attached.
written by Jonny , September 04, 2010
Agreed
Mao by numbers was the greatest mass murderer of all time, nobody even comes close. Mao was a communist and a leftest of the first order. He was brilliant, but twisted and evil.
I have seen Beck do some odd, weird, flakey, over the top things, but calling on his minions to make people disappear in the middle of the night is not one of them. I have seen him to claim to be an entertainer/infotainer and I agree, but he is not exactly extreme or what I would call a great thinker of the right.
Is he what I would call "right", yup, I would say IMHO he is, but if he would look to HIS right, I believe that he would have people there.
written by Kermit , September 05, 2010
Well Beck, like myself, claims to be "conservative". So do most of us here on this blog. Our definition of conservative comes in a variety of flavors. There are many points we disagree on, and many we wholeheartedly embrace.
I think that the label "extremist" comes into play when one cannot tolerate those various disagreements and must insist on a pure orthodoxy.
The late Mr. Lee was obviously in this mindset.
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