Frankenstein: "What a filthy job."
Igor: "Could be worse."
Frankenstein: "How?"
Igor: "Could be raining." [It starts to pour.]--from "Young Frankenstein," 1974
Obama's message to voters: Things could be worse
It would be nice to think Obama had the intellect of Victor Frankenstein, but we all know he is much more like the monster. He only knows how to destroy, not create.
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written by Elmer , July 27, 2010
that the creature eventually set out to destroy Victor's family because of unrequited love. He was rejected by his father, while Obama didn't know his. The creature ultimately killed his creator (hmmm, Wm Ayers?) and drifted away from the world on a chunk of ice (or various substitutes in movies). Maybe a foreshadowing of 2012?
That grave digging scene was a real classic. I sure miss Marty Feldman.
written by Kermit , July 27, 2010
we all know he is much more like the monster
Yes, but then he would have an enormous schwanstucker, and he has demonstrated that is highly unlikely.
written by Odin , July 27, 2010
One of the unintended consequences of the American welfare system was the creation of a matriarchal black culture, but I haven't seen any indications that Michelle wears the pants in that family, or heard of anyone credible who's said or implied it.
Black, bright, educated, articulate, cultured - Obama seems to be you Repub's worst nightmare. Do you wake up every morning in a cold sweat? Acute sleep deprivation could explain most of your posts.
written by Jim W , July 28, 2010
You wear your cheerleader skirt with the pompoms well, Fred. Odin has no other option but to.....wait for it....suggest racism!!! Moron.
Oh, and Odin - you forgot to mention "clean".
BTW - you're not a married man, are you Odin? If you were, you'd KNOW that damn near ANY wife out there wears the pants in teh family. THe men may THINK they run things, but that's only because the woman lets them think that. If you ventured out of your basement bunker once in a while and talked to some folks above ground, you'd learn a thing or two. You really don't know 1/20th of the stuff you proclaim to. Stick to online gaming...that might work better for you. Jackwagon.
written by Harlan , July 28, 2010
"One of the unintended consequences of the American welfare system was the creation of a matriarchal black culture,"
Wow. Just fuckin' WOW. That's gotta earn Odie some sort of Golden Shinebox Award for most incredibly asinine comment E-V-E-R. Welfare "created" matriarchal black culture? Are you fucking kidding me? Really, this is some sort of joke, right? You really don't get out much do you? You exist in a realm of sub-moronic postulation.
Thems nigra ladys ain't never done been able to figure nuffin out bout raisin dems babies till da white folk started givin' em's the moneys, eh Mistah Odie? Good ting dose white folk was smart enuf to figure out da ways to make dem nigra ladys get da baby momma-in's rite.
What a screamingly snide and patronizing remark Odie, spoken like a true bigot, all nice and code-ey like. Speaks volumes to your perceptions on the lack of ability or intelligence of black women without the gracious charity of the welfare system to make it all work out for them. Fuck you bigot.
written by Nobody , July 28, 2010
I want to second Harlan's Golden Shinebox nomination for Odie. Odie, pick a state south of Indiana and east of Texas and go live for a few years, learn about it, you know, life. I don't think I have ever read a more bigoted statement.
written by Kermit , July 28, 2010
We might need to institute the Golden Odin Moron Award for thought revoking commentary.
written by Jim W , July 29, 2010
Nice, I like it. The Golden Odin Award. I gots me some thinkin to do on that one...
Reminds me of the Jim Boyd award for Ecumenical Outreach that Sequel and Bart received back in 2005 for the Islam Sucks series.
written by Badda , July 29, 2010
All you douchebags, grab your shineboxes for a second. Just because Odin is a pernicious jackass with dreams of running his own circus doesn't mean his comment is racist.
Odin,
Gotta ask a few questions regarding your comment. I'm not sure I clearly understand what you mean... and I'm not sure the guys do either.
Exactly how did welfare create (or at least have a hand in creating) a matriarchal black culture? What constitutes a matriarchal black culture?
I think you guys missed a massive opportunity here.
written by Kermit , July 29, 2010
(Psst, Badda. It's a sweeping generalization based on skin color. That is, by definition, racist.)
written by Badda , July 29, 2010
I know that. You know that. The point was I wanted Odin to say that.
It still doesn't tell me why it is a racist comment.
written by Kermit , July 29, 2010
Gaaahhh! We just told you why it was a racist comment. And don't hold your breath waiting for a cogent reply from Onan.
written by Badda , July 29, 2010
Kermit,
You said it was a generalization on skin color... I *read* that.
Bart also said that welfare "hit the black community disproportionately". So that needs to get factored in. Not only that, but the comment itself doesn't have much of a value judgment in it.
If you don't want to try to get Odin (say fucking "Odin", his handle) to talk that's fine. That's up to him. I know he probably won't respond. But if I don't ask he certainly ain't going to respond.
written by Kermit , July 29, 2010
Sorry Badda. He's been Onan to me since he showed up years ago. He is not going to engage honestly, and he is not going to attempt to justify the swill he posts.
But good luck trying to get him to act like an adult.
written by Badda , July 29, 2010
You don't need to apologize to me, but that's very kind.
Folks like Odin have been snide and fucked with our names or handles... I certainly don't like it, but he can go get his shinebox.
If he's ever willing to be a decent fellow, then my hat is off to him. But don't get me wrong, I'm not waiting by the phone for him.
Now, enough of this mutual appreciation society bullshit... back to the effing topics of the day.
written by Sequel , July 29, 2010
The welfare state requires that for the free checks to flow, and to have a lifetime of leisure on the dole, of sedate days watching Oprah and Judge Judy; the family must be man free.
Evidence of a man, especially a father, means the checks stop.
Nothing like a misguided government policy to create a crippled culture of dependance.
Head on down to your local projects, to see what LBJ's war on poverty has wrought.
But that would require an honest evaluation of liberalism's policies. Instead any attempt to discuss a cure for the debilitated condition of the welfare culture is met with charges of... Racism!
"Rich white republicans are trying to take away your check, they hate you because you're black and they want your children to starve".
written by Badda , July 29, 2010
Surely you are not saying that the War on Poverty has exacerbated poverty?
written by Sequel , July 29, 2010
Heresy?
I spose that I must be renounced for my racist desire to go back to Jim Crow.
written by Odin , July 29, 2010
(Psst, Badda. It's a sweeping generalization based on skin color. That is, by definition, racist.)
Not any authoritative definition of "racist" I'm familar with. What's your source(s)?
written by Badda , July 29, 2010
Before you change the subject, Odin... let's get back to the issue, shall we?
written by Odin , July 29, 2010
Whether Michelle wears the pants in the Obama family? That's some issue.
written by Sequel , July 29, 2010
Odie's goin all semantic on Badda. Ooh, gotcha!
What a putz.
I caught that too, but said nothin cuz I ain't no grammar Nazi.
I'm pretty sure he meant bigot though, but we'll have to ask him.
written by tim-The Dyslexic Blogger , July 30, 2010
Yep that is right Odin totally ignore the topic oh and we do understand that you go through life full of questions good luck in finding the right answer
written by Badda , July 30, 2010
Odin,
You know what the discussion is. Don't play dumb, or we'll start taking you at your word. Either you want to talk sensibly, or you don't.
If you don't, then simply say so.
written by Odin , July 30, 2010
You know what the discussion is.
What discussion? If you're referring to my comment about an unintended consequence of welfare being the creation of a matriarchal black culture and the subsequent comments of "racist" and "bigot," that seems to be more the knee-jerk reactions of people who don't know the definitions of those words than any basis for discussion.
In my experience, it's hard to have worthwhile discussions with adults who use words they don't know the definitions of. My original statement was a fact. I don't see that correcting inane characterizations of it constitutes a discussion worth having. Is there some particular facet(s) you wish to explore?
written by Badda , July 30, 2010
Odin,
I asked a couple of questions. The guys jumped in to answer them because you took your time getting back to us.
You then pretended you didn't know what I referred to. Shame on you.
What's more you suggest that certain words only have one meaning... but you seem to play with connotations now and again. Shame on you.
Have the conversation, or don't... and if you don't want to, then go find someone else to play with.
I'm not asking you to correct anything... I'm asking you to clarify for me, for the sake of the discussion. So I know what you're talking about. If that's simply too much for you, then why effing bother coming here?
Try clarification. Clarity.
Don't pretend you don't know what we're talking about... and don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
written by Odin , July 30, 2010
You then pretended you didn't know what I referred to.
That wasn't pretense. My original statement was obviously factual, as Bart subsequently explained. I don't see why you (or anyone) would need additional clarification, which is why I asked what you were referring to. The mischaracterizations of my statement as "racist" and the assertion of a "bigot" by the usual suspects weren't "answer"(s) worthy of discussion.
What constitutes a matriarchal black culture?
In America, millions of black families with a mother as the primary leader of the family, usually employing the power of the purse strings as well as what John Adams called "the power of the petticoat." This should be obvious to you, which makes your requests for clarification seem disingenuous. Do you have some legitimate reason for asking or are you just playing dumb?
written by Harlan , July 30, 2010
Welfare 'created' matriarchal black culture. I'll PAY you to say that to the face of a black woman as long as I can tape the incident as it unfolds...jackass.
written by Odin , August 01, 2010
After perusing Moynihan's 1965 report on black American families, it seems more accurate to say welfare perpetuated (or perhaps exacerbated) black matriarchal culture, rather than "created" it. Some excerpts:
"Extending this line of reasoning, psychologists point out that slavery in all its forms sharply lowered the need for achievement in slaves... Negroes in bondage, stripped of their African heritage, were placed in a completely dependent role. All of their rewards came, not from individual initiative and enterprise, but from absolute obedience -- a situation that severely depresses the need for achievement among all peoples. Most important of all, slavery vitiated family life... Since many slaveowners neither fostered Christian marriage among their slave couples nor hesitated to separate them on the auction block, the slave household often developed a fatherless matrifocal (mother-centered) pattern."
. . .
"Within the family, each new generation of young males learn the appropriate nurturing behavior and superimpose upon their biologically given maleness this learned parental role. When the family breaks down -- as it does under slavery, under certain forms of indentured labor and serfdom, in periods of extreme social unrest during wars, revolutions, famines, and epidemics, or in periods of abrupt transition from one type of economy to another -- this delicate line of transmission is broken. Men may founder badly in these periods, during which the primary unit may again become mother and child, the biologically given, and the special conditions under which man has held his social traditions in trust are violated and distorted."17
E. Franklin Frazier makes clear that at the time of emancipation Negro women were already "accustomed to playing the dominant role in family and marriage relations" and that this role persisted in the decades of rural life that followed.
. . .
In essence, the Negro community has been forced into a matriarchal structure which, because it is to out of line with the rest of the American society, seriously retards the progress of the group as a whole, and imposes a crushing burden on the Negro male and, in consequence, on a great many Negro women as well.
There is, presumably, no special reason why a society in which males are dominant in family relationships is to be preferred to a matriarchal arrangement. However, it is clearly a disadvantage for a minority group to be operating on one principle, while the great majority of the population, and the one with the most advantages to begin with, is operating on another. This is the present situation of the Negro. Ours is a society which presumes male leadership in private and public affairs. The arrangements of society facilitate such leadership and reward it. A subculture, such as that of the Negro American, in which this is not the pattern, is placed at a distinct disadvantage.
http://www.blackpast.org/?q=pr...eport-1965
The report makes a persuasive case that slavery and Jim Crow and subsequent discrimination all played important roles in emasculating millions of black men, welfare being just one more factor contributing to matriarchal dominance and male emasculation in many black families.
Bart's inane claim that Michelle carries Obama's gonads in her purse was obviously an attempt to emasculate, a tactic white racists have historically used to keep black males from threatening white people's place(s) in the social order.
You can claim you're not racists all you like, but when you use the language of racial stereotypiing ("Obammy" is "lazy," "stupid," "ignorant," "childish," etc) and other racist tactics, probably nobody with an IQ over room temperature will believe you. Nor should they.
written by Jim W , August 02, 2010
You can claim you're not racists all you like
Duly Noted.
http://anti-strib.com/myblog-admin/archived-comment-baiting.html
written by Badda , August 02, 2010
Odin,
I have some sincere interest in asking the question in the first place.
For the first part, it would get both you and me on the same page. Secondly, it would get the rest of the gang something more concrete to look at... something that might very well help them reconsider their initial charge of racism on you.
You effing douchebag, I was being fair... but you've got to go calling people stupid, which is so typical of you. You've called folks racist before, without reason. You continue to sidetrack interesting conversations into "you are teh dumb" and "you are teh Hitler".
Get over yourself.
written by Odin , August 02, 2010
something that might very well help them reconsider their initial charge of racism on you.
Might want to work on something simpler first, like getting them to reconsider their beliefs that the Earth is flat and orbited by the sun. Or their belief that tax cuts raise revenue.
You've called folks racist before, without reason.
Probably not. And obviously not in this instance.
You continue to sidetrack interesting conversations into "you are teh dumb" and "you are teh Hitler".
You believe yourself capable of engaging in interesting conversations? Got any evidence of that? You know knock-knock jokes don't interest most people, right?
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